Persian Science?

The biggest Lie in Aryanist circles in Undoubtely the Myth of PErsian Scientists.
The First Claim is that the Persians had Scientists Before islam,and afetr the invasions of the Muslims,the muslims had copid this scientifical knowledge.

lets see the auhtenticity of this claim:

1.The Only Persian Scientist Aryanists can Give is Borzuya

However Borzuya only Translated the Indian Works into Pahlavi,These works were Herbal Knowledge and had nothing to do with any Inventions.

Furthermore he was only a Pyschician,he was not a Scientist.

Herbal Knowledge is Great in All but if we were to call this Science we must include the Native Americans and others into the list of Great scientists after all they did have the best herbal knowledge.


Science must be Defined as having invented something,a new idea,or a new concept.

Did The Avesta contain Science?

the Zoroastrian books contained some knowledge of medicine,this is similar to Ayurveda among the Indians,it claims to be From the Aryan god Brahman,and The avesta medecine claims to be from Their diety ahura Mazda,it is entitrely lickely the aryan tribes of the Persians and The Indians got this Tribal knowledge from the same Source.

However all Cultures had Herbal Treatments,and Even the Hadith Books have Sections called Kutub Al-Tibb(books of Medecine)wich conmtain Hadiths From the prophet Muhammad(sws)on Medecine.

Furthermore the bible also contains Passages on Medecine but it Also contains Scientifical Errors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNfesNQv2E Scientific errors in the Bible: Light of Moon


the Same is with the Zoroastrian Books,it contains Scientifical Errors

1. It is said that Hormuzd granted prophethood to Yim (Noah), but he refused to take that responsibility. Similar actions of disobedience to God are ascribed to Vakhshur (prophets), which are contrary to reason and common sense. Did not God know before hand that such and such person was not fit for the onerous work of a prophet? Vakhshur or prophets come into the world as models and, examplaries, and if they themselves begin to disregard God's commandments, what guidance will they give to others?

2. It is believed that a dead body makes unclean the earth, the air and the men who carry it; and that the wards of hell enter into a dead body and on seeing a dog they leave the body and fly away. (Vendidad. VIII: 14-21) All this is nothing but old superstitions.

3. Women are considered to be so unclean and dirty during their days of menstruation that even their meals are not properly served to them. Food can not be handed over to these unclean women, but is thrown away from a distance in a pan or pot. They can not eat to their fill nor can they drink such a pure thing as water, except when they begin to die of thirst. (Fargard V:45, VII:70)

4. Killing a dog is more punishable an offence than a man's murder. Even giving bad food to a dog is also more punishable than killing a man. Ninety lashes is the punishment for a murder and two hundred iashes for improperly feeding a dog. If a woman drinks water after giving birth to a child, she is punishable with two hundred lashes; and the penalty for an unclean man's touching water or a tree is four hundred lashes. Burying a dead body or burning it, is an offence that cannot be atoned or pardoned at all. (Fargard, IV:49, VII:20, VI:5, V:39-44, VI:47 and VIII:22-29)

(Note the quran is based on science and has no scientific errors like these false books)

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#links

So this can not be used as a Excuse to say there was science in Pre-islamic PErsia.

2. Lets take a look at the ''Persian Scientists''and see their Actual Origins

Abū ‘Alī al-Ḥusayn ibn ‘Abd Allāh ibn Sīnā, (Born in c. 980  in Afshana,Bukhara)

He was a Khwarizmi Scientists and not a Persian Scientist Furthermore According to Aryanists themselevs eh Translated Indian works into Arabic and he did not Really Invent anything

Abū Naṣr al-Fārābī (Born in c. 872 in Faryab,Khorasan)

There are some Biographers that assert he had a Persian Father but :

According to D. Gutas, "ultimately pointless as the quest for Farabi’s ethnic origins might be, the fact remains that we do not have sufficient evidence to decide the matter(Dimitri Gutas, "Farabi" in Encyclopædia Iranica, Online Edition. accessed April 4, 2010. )

 Ibn Abī Uṣaibiʿa  in his Biography titled Oyun said he was from a Persian Family But other ssuch as Ibn Khallikan  in his Work Waffayat says he was from a Turkish Family .

futhermore his Nisba is Abū Naṣr Moḥammad b. Moḥammad al-Ṭarḵānī

Tarkan is  a Turkish name .and this is his title in Early Works.Works wich stem from his contemporaries.

according to Iraqi Scholars like Ibn Khallikan Awzalaḡ was also among his names and this is a turkish name.

Ibn Khallikan was not a Arabist and had no Bias in Saying this.

Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī

He was Likely Azeri and Not persian.

Abu Musa Jābir ibn Hayyān

he was a Lakhmi Arab and not a Persian,he was from a christian tribe,but was a muslim.

furthermore he was a Student of the islamic scholar Jafar Bin Muhammad al-Sadiq ,and he learned his Knowledge from Him.

He is Described as ''''the Father of Chemistry'',He invented the Robot 1200 Years ago and he Invented the Aeroplane 1200 Years ago.

in a  Upcoming article i shall mention how he is related to Jafar Bin Muhamamd al-Sadiq.

Ibn Khaldūn

he was a Hadhrami Arab  in his AutoBiography he Says :And our ancestry is from Hadhramaut, from the Arabs of Yemen, via Wa'il ibn Hajar, from the best of the Arabs, well-known and respected." (p. 2429, Al-Waraq's edition)

Ibn Tufail  he was a Qaysi arab .this Tribe was a Adnani tribe famouis in arabia.they also were famouis for fighting in the Battle of Khaybar.

Abū Rayḥān Muḥammad ibn Aḥmad Bīrūnī

He was a Khwarizmi not a Persian.

Abū 'l-Walīd Muḥammad bin Aḥmad bin Rushd

he was Arab not persian

Abū ʿAbdallāh Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī

he was a Khwarizmi and not Persian

Ala al-Din Abu al-Hassan Ali ibn Abi-Hazm al-Qurashi al-Dimashqi

he was a quraishi not persian!

Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥasan ibn al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham

He was Arab from a Famouis Tribe from Basra,he was also under the Patronage of the Hashemite Caliph Al-Hakim bi AmrAllah,and he did not base his works except on the Hadiths of Jafar Bin Muhammad al-Sadiq.

Furthermore We have arab Scientisst wich all came before these people:

 ibn Rushd,al-Haythami,Jafar bin Muhammad al-Sadiq,ibn tahrir Baghdadi,al-baqilanni(extended atomism to time and motion)Al-Hajja ibn Yusuf ibn mattar(Mathemitician)(Al-Hamda­ni,a Great yemeni Astronomer)Ibn hubal(kutub al-Tibb(books of medecine)al-Jahizi(a biologist and Mutazili)Ibn al-thahabi(a Omani physchian that migrated to Velencia)Al-Uqlidisi(Arab from Damascus invented Decimals)all did not translate indian works.

But According to Aryanists themselves Their own Alleged Scientists translated Indian Works.

I Rest my Case.

Ashur vs Faravahar

Ashur  :

Ashur  is from 3000 B.C and Represented the Head Diety of the city of Ashur.

He was the main Diety in the Pantheon of Neo-Assyrian gods.
Teh Epithets of This Diety included :

bêlu rabû "great lord", ab ilâni "father of gods", šadû rabû "great mountain", and il aššurî "god of Ashur"


The Symbols of Ashur include :
a winged disc with horns, enclosing four circles revolving round a middle circle; rippling rays fall down from either side of the disc;
2.a circle or wheel, suspended from wings, and enclosing a warrior drawing his bow to discharge an arrow;
3.the same circle; the warrior's bow, however, is carried in his left hand, while the right hand is uplifted as if to bless his worshipers (see picture).

now lets see the faravahar

Now for people who dont know anything about History the Faravahar  The Aechamanid Emperors included ths into their state religion called Zoroastrianism and Spread this Religion thru out there Empire.

in the Avesta there is no mention of the faravahar or anything depicting Ahura mazda,as this was Generally Forbidden .

The Persian god Ahura Mazda hovers above the king in sculptured representations of that high dignitary, enclosed in a winged wheel, or disk, like Ashur, grasping a ring in one hand, the other being lifted up as if blessing those who adore him.''''-

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/mba20.htm

looks like this is a Bida (بدعة)in the Zoroastrian faith!

i hope Persians Abandon this Egyptian Symbol and dont commit Bida in their religion!

Persian Architecture VS.Arabian Architecture

The Persian Architecture(sabk )atleast from Aechamanid times is Hailed as Being a Magnificent Form of Architecture ,But is it Original or Copied From Previouis Cultures(Akkadian,Asyrian,Mesopotamian in General)?

(this does not concern Elamite or Choga Zanbil architecture wich has nothing to do with Aryans,these people were of semitic stock and were forced to minimize their territory because of Persian invasions)


lets Find out!


Persepolis :

Now The Earliest Remains from Persepolis date from around 515 BCE.


Assyria    :


Releifs from a Assyrian Temple:

Now this Winged Bull Style is Orignially Assyrian and was a Mythical figure among them called Aladlamu 

Cyaxares the king of the medes Destroyed Assyria in   612 BC ,and this is probably when the Assimilation of assyrian Architecture into   Iranic Culture Started.

As You Can See This is Directly from Assyrian Culture.

The Elamites also had similar Architecture and depictions for example:

These are Elamite Ziggurats from Chogha Zanbil.

The Elamites were  Semitic and Mesopotamian People and had nothing to do with Iranians,even Though iranans Claim this as there Heritage.

The Hittites also borrowed the Mesopotamian Architecture  :

The Hittite Kingdom was From Circa 1750–1500 BC
The Elamite from  Circa  2700 BC (as a Kingdom not a people)
and susa is From 5000 BC
The Old Assyrian period is from 2000 B.C

Now Lets See Arabian Architecture  :

More Pictures Can be Found here  :

http://www.zubeyr-kureemun.com/SaudiArabia/PhotoGalleryOfMadainSaleh.htm


These Are Tombs From the People of Thamud(3000 BCE)Wich was a Large kingdom and fourished in Southern Yemen and Central Arabia. 

These Are Tombs From the People of Thamud3000 BCE)Wich was a Large kingdom and fourished in Southern Yemen and Central Arabia

Now lets see Sabaean Architecture:

The Dam was Built to Reach whats now the Size of Paris.it was a Engineering Genius of its Time.
Recent archaeological findings suggest that simple earth dams and a canal network were constructed as far back as 2000 BC. The building of the first Marib dam began somewhere between 750 BC and 700 BC and took some hundreds of years to complete.  The dam was of packed earth, triangular in cross section, 580 m in length and 4 meters high. It ran between two groups of rocks on either side of the river and was linked to the rock with substantial stonework. The dam's position allowed for a spillway and sluices between the northern end of the dam and the cliffs to the west. Around 500 BC the dam height was increased to 7 meters, the upstream slope (the water face) was reinforced with a cover of stones, and irrigation was extended to include the southern side as well as the northern side.



Baraqish and the Mina kingdom(1000 B.C)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3rChxezzQU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3rChxezzQU</a></div A Journey into Ancient Arabia Part 1

The Yemen Architecture :

The Yemeni Architecture besides that of the Ancient period continues its Originality and Innovative Spirit  :
(Sana'a Yemen)

Najran,Saudi Arabia

Shibam ,Wadi Hadhramawt (2500 Years old)(a Adobe Town):

Rock palaces of Petra  (Built by the nabataeans 168 BC):

As You Can See the Arabian Architecture is Very Origin and did not copy From any Culture like the Persians did.

at 1000 B.C The Arabs were Building Huge Skyscrapers.

at 1000 B.C the Persians were Wandering Central Asia.


With all Chronology in Hand we find Everything in this Culture is copied from Mesopotamian Genius somehow.

Lets See what others have to say about persian art


From the beginning the Persians built on the foundations of the earlier states. The organization of the Assyrians was taken over and improved, and Cyrus himself imported  artists and artisans from Babylonia and Egypt to create his palace and tomb at Pasargadae.
(www.answers.com/topic/persia -)

In the first great period of Persian art, during the reign of the Achaemenids, sculpture was practiced on a monumental scale. About 515 BC, Darius I had a vast relief and inscription carved on a cliff at Behistun. The relief shows him triumphing over his enemies as Ahura-Mazda, the chief Zoroastrian deity, looks on. The carving was derived in plan and detail from  Assyrian models, but the naturalistic treatment of the drapery and the eyes was original.
(www.iranjasminco.com/iran/iran-art.htm -)